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showrunners

(Anonymous)
I'm a very special snowflake that enjoyed seasons 6 and 7 (soulless sam was hot, Cas went darkside, Cas/Meg won best new ship award, Dean was suicidal and very bad at hiding it), and I had an innate inability to go in on Sera Gamble like so many people did.

And now we have season 8, which I am enjoying on a "well it's better than season 4" level, because at least now the breaking of Sam & Dean's relationship isn't NEW, and I just read through the last post's episode reactions that were all hating on Carver.

Now, I know meme was never as anti-Gamble as some places, but seeing Carver (rightly) torn into? Omg, so satisfying.




In other news, my hope for the season is that Sam has regained precognitive abilities and ~saw~ Dean's return and so didn't really have to worry about looking for him. IT MAKES ALL OF THE EMOTIONAL RIDICULOUS FOR HIM MAKE SENSE, PEOPLE. He just had to wait, and while he was waiting he found Amelia, but then the calendar pages flipped enough times that the ~day of his vision had come and he had to go find Dean! :D Problems solved. /I am trying to figure how to turn this into a fic because I don't really believe it is canon

Re: showrunners

(Anonymous)
That sounds a little RoboSam to me. I mean, I don't know if Sam would have a vision of Dean returning and think, "Well, he'll get back eventually on his own - better have me some sex in the meantime".

On the other hand, I am in favor of his precognitive abilities returning.

Re: showrunners

(Anonymous)
Well, he would want to make sure he stayed alive so he could be in the vision. If he died Dean might never get out. Therefore hunting would be a bad idea. Logic!

/not the ayrt but I LOVE the theory.

Re: showrunners

(Anonymous)
ayrt

It's definitely not smart, in terms of temporal shenanigans (You saw it happening... but that doesn't mean you don't have a role in making sure it happens!), but I think it would at least be one road through the "Sam didn't look for Dean" issue-- he knew Dean was coming back, would be safe, and that it would happen on X day.

I skipped episodes 3&4 because I was feeling glum about the show, but generally my feeling is you can't believe Sam when he says he literally did nothing on the Dean front, because that just doesn't make sense. If he did nothing, had a vision, and clung to that vision as a faint beacon of hope-- well, that makes way more sense in my sweet fan-wanked land of happiness.

Re: showrunners

(Anonymous)
DA

But that has the problem of so many of the Sam theories: if that were the case, why not just tell Dean? And Sam is making a point of having been open and explained himself, contrasting it with Dean's secretiveness about Benny. I really can't see Sam not only saying he'd told Dean why he hadn't looked but throwing it in Dean's face by contrast with Dean's concealments if he had in fact been lying for some vision doesn't work if you talk about vision type reason.

Maybe Sam had a vision and somehow it worked in such a way that once the vision was fulfilled he'd forget about the vision? /grasping at straws

It would make a great fic, but I don't think it's a possible canon theory.

Re: showrunners

(Anonymous)
ayrt

Well, I have my own fan-wanking reasons for this which boils simply down to "Sam doesn't want to admit he has powers again" or possibly "to get this info Sam did something he doesn't think Dean would forgive [because for some reason he doesn't realize "didn't look at all" is legit the worst possible thing for him to have done, in Dean's eyes]", but IF this was at all canon, I don't think those possibilities would be the ones they choose. I do, however, think it is possible to have some sort of in-show explanation for it.

As for Sam contrasting his openness vs Dean & Benny -- I really can't take that scene at face value. That argument displayed a classic "the best defense is a good offense", the classic Winchester move of derailing the conversation by bringing in something totally unrelated to the discussion. It doesn't matter if Sam was honest with Dean-- Dean, at that moment, thinks Sam was being honest with Dean, so in terms of the argument it provides good ammunition. I definitely feel like there are some Sam-lies floating around, I just don't know which things he says are lies yet. (He could be telling 100% the truth, but that is much less sympathetic to me. I never believed Dean when he was spewing bullshit to get the attention off of himself, either.)

I can't figure out how to make it a good fic without it coming off as current-canon-Sam bashing. :/

Re: showrunners

(Anonymous)
ayrt

Yeah, that's the thing: I don't know if Sam would immediately relax and settle down because he knew Dean would come back. I imagine he would wonder if he played a role in it somehow, unless he had actual visions of Dean in Purgatory, finding his way out with Benny? IDK.

I'm still clinging to my (rather ridiculous) Sam went crazy and Amelia isn't real hope, but your idea might be a little more realistic. And I like it a lot. It had never crossed my mind but I'll certainly place it in my 'possible solutions that could get me to start watching the show again' file. :)

Re: showrunners

(Anonymous)
ayrt

I don't know that he would either, but it would be an appropriately unhealthy Winchester-style reaction to a ridiculous scenario that I could still buy it.

Re: showrunners

(Anonymous)
Wow, nonnie. I like your theory. There has to be some kind of explanation for that scene in the cabin and the writing/acting/directing choices. It can't be just random nonsense.

And it would make sense if Carver is reaching back to Season 2 for characterisation (only not really, though!) that he might reach back to S2 for Sam's storyline. It is a HUGE dropped thread in the series.

This makes so much sense and would be so awesome. Maybe it actually is what Carver is planning. He must have some kind of plan for Sam, surely? I don't think that it would make up for his other crimes or the way he's writing Sam and Dean, but I'd watch the show again if that happened.

Re: showrunners

(Anonymous)
ayrt

It was actually one of my first thoughts when I watched 8x01, I'm just not on meme enough to share my theories very often. :);

I also don't pay attention to much of the "outside of the show canon" material because frankly, I don't think even the writers hold themselves to things they say outside of the canon boundaries-- they barely hold to what they say INSIDE canon, lol. (I'm referencing something I saw about us having a writer say Sam didn't know he was going to meet Dean? Ummmm I don't think so!!! Not my Sam. /ever positive Deangirl Wincest lover)

Re: showrunners

(Anonymous)
Oh, nonnie, I love your theory. It'd make up for everything :_)

For the record, I thought the way he "felt" Benny was a vampire when he met him was a little strange, even for an experienced hunter (because he didn't know it, didn't he?). Maybe there's hope! :D

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